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the plan had received support from the pentagon, the cia, secretary clinton. but ultimately it was the white house that turned down the idea. >> both of you agreed with petraeus and clinton that we should start looking at military assistance in syria, is that correct? >> that was our position. i do want to say, senator, that obviously there were a number of factors that were reversed here that ultimately led to the president's decision to make it nonlethal. i supported his decision in the end. but the answer to your question is yes. >> for both of you? >> yes. >> "the wall street journal" says the white house was concerned about which rebels could be trusted with arms. was also worried about the risk of drawing the united states into another military conflict. but it was questions over benghazi that led to the most heated moments with secretary panetta and general dempsey defending the administration's response to the deadly raid on the u.s. consulate. >> for you to testify that our posture would not allow a rapid response, our posture was not there because we
the plan had received support from the pentagon, the cia, secretary clinton. but ultimately it was the white house that turned down the idea. >> both of you agreed with petraeus and clinton that we should start looking at military assistance in syria, is that correct? >> that was our position. i do want to say, senator, that obviously there were a number of factors that were reversed here that ultimately led to the president's decision to make it nonlethal. i supported his decision...
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john brennan was at the cia when they were using that torture tactic. brennan did not use that word at his confirmation hearing again though they tried to get him too. he did though call waterboarding reprehensible and he said he protested it when he was at the cia. catherine herridge is live in washington. and, catherine, he says that it just really wasn't under him that there was nothing he could do about it; is that right? >> well, marshallly what we learned today is that he was copied on 50 memos about the handling and interrogation of the detainee abu zid apartment 2002 and waterboarded by the cia. if he had objection questioning why brennan executive director at the agency did nothing about them given that he got daily updates. >> including the analysis of the lawfulness of the techniques, putting you in a position to express any concerns you had about the program, before any of the most controversial techniques, including waterboarding were ever used. >> i did not take steps to stop the cia's use of those techniques. i was not in the chain of com
john brennan was at the cia when they were using that torture tactic. brennan did not use that word at his confirmation hearing again though they tried to get him too. he did though call waterboarding reprehensible and he said he protested it when he was at the cia. catherine herridge is live in washington. and, catherine, he says that it just really wasn't under him that there was nothing he could do about it; is that right? >> well, marshallly what we learned today is that he was copied...
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fine stein says he will make a fine leader for the cia. >> it is time for your 5@5:00. >> some of the other stories making news for you at this hour. defense secretary leon panetta coming under fire at a senate hearing on the benghazi attack. >> if families asked me would it be fair to say that you were in charge? >> it's not that simple as you know. i think the people that were in charge were the people on the ground. >> pardon me? >> was secretary clinton in charge? >> people that were in charge were the ambassador there. (talking over one another) >> they were trying to save their lives. they weren't in charge. >> panetta also suspended the slow response saying there wasn't enough time or warning to try and prevent the murder of four americans. >> catholic bishop rejecting the latest plans to alter the contraception mandate. it doesn't offer enough religious attention. we have been assured by the administration we will not have to refer, pay for, negotiate for the mandate in coverage. we remain eager for the administration to fulfill that pledge. many business owners have objected
fine stein says he will make a fine leader for the cia. >> it is time for your 5@5:00. >> some of the other stories making news for you at this hour. defense secretary leon panetta coming under fire at a senate hearing on the benghazi attack. >> if families asked me would it be fair to say that you were in charge? >> it's not that simple as you know. i think the people that were in charge were the people on the ground. >> pardon me? >> was secretary clinton...
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>> i did not take steps to stop the cia's use of those techniques. i was not in the chain of command of that program. i expressed my personal objections and views to some agency colleagues. >> do you have a personal opinion whether water board something torture? >> i have a personal opinion waterboarding is reprehensible and something that should not be done and, again, i am not a lawyer, senator, and i can't address that question. >> nbc's capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us now to talk about a busy day on the hill. kelly, let's start with the brennan hearing. what was fascinating to me is unlike most of these recent hearings we've seen, the criticism came from the president's own party, ron wyden, angus king, what did you make of it and what was the reaction afterward? were they satisfied with what they heard? >> well, not entirely yet but there were some things that did please them in the fact john brennan seemed to take seriously their concerns about transparency and he said, of course, that will have to be tested if he's confirme
>> i did not take steps to stop the cia's use of those techniques. i was not in the chain of command of that program. i expressed my personal objections and views to some agency colleagues. >> do you have a personal opinion whether water board something torture? >> i have a personal opinion waterboarding is reprehensible and something that should not be done and, again, i am not a lawyer, senator, and i can't address that question. >> nbc's capitol hill correspondent...
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you know, the cia tried many times to kill fidel castro. it was just unsuccessful at it. >> well that's -- >> i'm a realist. >> kill him, i'm not sure. but i can't deny it. i know they tried to defoliate him with his beard. i know they tried to give him hall louis na jens. >> the poison cigar i think was meant to kill him, but the point being that i don't want any single individual, and, you know, i'm a supporter of president obama's, but i don't want any single individual, not george w. bush, not barack obama to have the authority to say we're going to kill these people. and nor do i want it to be obama and a group of people over whom he has authority. i don't want it to be people in the military who answer to him. i want it to be people of an outside branch of government who feel the ins pen dense to disagree with the president. >> well said. i think yesterday john brennan was grilled about various aspects of this program including the rights of americans who might be on the kill list. take a look at how he answered a question on that fro
you know, the cia tried many times to kill fidel castro. it was just unsuccessful at it. >> well that's -- >> i'm a realist. >> kill him, i'm not sure. but i can't deny it. i know they tried to defoliate him with his beard. i know they tried to give him hall louis na jens. >> the poison cigar i think was meant to kill him, but the point being that i don't want any single individual, and, you know, i'm a supporter of president obama's, but i don't want any single...
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and that's why the cia has turned into a paramilitary organization. and i think unwinding that may take some time. >> all right. senator angus king, dr. zbigniew brzezinski, david ignatius, thank you very much. david gregory, thank you as well. >> thanks. >> he's got exclusives on "meet the press" this sunday. >> the two lieutenants here, house and senate, eric cantor and richard durbin talking about the way forward after the state of the union. >> thanks very much, david gregory. good luck with that. >>> when we come back, meteorologist bill karins with the latest on the winter storm bearing down on the northeast. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪ get ready for a lot more of that new-plane smell. we're building the youngest, most modern fleet among the largest us airlines to ensure that you are more comfortable and connected than ever. we are becoming a new american. a hybrid? most are just no fun to drive. now, here's one that will make you feel alive. meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what
and that's why the cia has turned into a paramilitary organization. and i think unwinding that may take some time. >> all right. senator angus king, dr. zbigniew brzezinski, david ignatius, thank you very much. david gregory, thank you as well. >> thanks. >> he's got exclusives on "meet the press" this sunday. >> the two lieutenants here, house and senate, eric cantor and richard durbin talking about the way forward after the state of the union. >> thanks...
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. >> president obama is nominee for cia director, john brennan faced tough questions and his confirmation hearing about u.s. covert activities. prosecutors actually interrupted the hearing at one point. brennan said that at the obama administration has never killed terror suspects when officials have the opportunity to capture them instead. he spoke about the administration's future use of drums. >> the president has insisted that any action we take be legally grounded, the early anchored and intelligence, will have the appropriate review process before any action is contemplated including actions that may involve the use of lethal force. president obama released >> president obama release the administration's classified legal justification for the drought policy to the senate intelligence committee before brent terry. >> boeing is starting to test flights soon of its 787 dream liner. the company says this will allow it to look at the in-flight performance of the airplanes batteries. the faa grounded the dreamliner fleet last month because of issues with its lithium ion battery malfunctio
. >> president obama is nominee for cia director, john brennan faced tough questions and his confirmation hearing about u.s. covert activities. prosecutors actually interrupted the hearing at one point. brennan said that at the obama administration has never killed terror suspects when officials have the opportunity to capture them instead. he spoke about the administration's future use of drums. >> the president has insisted that any action we take be legally grounded, the early...
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did the president's cia chief nominee quell concerns on the hill? we will ask our panel. plus, will lawmakers made headway on gun reform in the house? we will discuss the democrats' win-win scenario. also, is the gop's tent collapsing or just undergoing an incredibly messy renovation? we will talk paciderm problems and get up now for a little sequester semester with chris hayes. all that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. room and make it shine? we get doing... ...with a store full of ways to get it done. we can all throw on our work clothes... ...and throw out any doubt. because right now's the time to take those rooms from... ..."think i can do this?" to... ..."let me show you what i just did." more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. outsmart your budget with this ashland vanity, a special buy at $299. [ bop ] [ bop ] [ bop ] you can do that all you want, i don't like v8 juice. [ male announcer ] how about v8 v-fusion. a full serving of vegetables, a full serving of fruit. but what you taste is the fruit. so even you... could've had a v8. we c
did the president's cia chief nominee quell concerns on the hill? we will ask our panel. plus, will lawmakers made headway on gun reform in the house? we will discuss the democrats' win-win scenario. also, is the gop's tent collapsing or just undergoing an incredibly messy renovation? we will talk paciderm problems and get up now for a little sequester semester with chris hayes. all that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. room and make it shine? we get doing... ...with a store...
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. >>> john brennan, the president's pick to be the next cia director getting drilled at his confirmation hearing. he was pressed on the targeted killing of terror suspects, including u.s. citizens. >> i think there's a misimpression on the part of some american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressio transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative. >> the brennan hearing was interrupted several times by protesters. at one point, senator diane feinstein stopped the proceedings and actually had the room cleared. >>> all right. too close for comfort. scientists at nasa say a giant asteroid, about half the size of a football field, is headed our way. they predict it will pass very close to earth on february 15th. no closer than about 17,100 miles. it's one of many large space objects barrelling toward us at the very moment. experts say all of them, inclauinclud including this one, will have very limited, low-impact probability. >> very good. >> fun to watc
. >>> john brennan, the president's pick to be the next cia director getting drilled at his confirmation hearing. he was pressed on the targeted killing of terror suspects, including u.s. citizens. >> i think there's a misimpression on the part of some american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressio transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other...
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all this talk of drones and cyber attacks, it dominated the confirmation hearing for cia director, john brennan, it will also be the lead topic on this week's face the nation. joining us now live from d.c. is the host, cbs chief washington correspondent, bob shaefer. even some obama supporters found themselves uneasy about this idea that is legal to kill american citizens, basically because the white house says okay, they're bad guys. >>> very concerned about this issue. >>> bob shaefer face the nation, sunday, thank you. >>> a connecticut toy company is hoping to cash in on a recent early release photo of president obama skeet shoot at camp david. created an action figure doll of the president holding a hunting rifle and wearing a play pi john t-shirt. >> equal opportunity, what do you call them? dolls. >> they pick on everybody. >> the schoolgirl thing, that's a little different. >>> okay, a couple things. you know what i did at noon today? i was at home. a little hot tea and i watched howard live on my ipad and it was fantastic. down load our news app and it has a weather app built i
all this talk of drones and cyber attacks, it dominated the confirmation hearing for cia director, john brennan, it will also be the lead topic on this week's face the nation. joining us now live from d.c. is the host, cbs chief washington correspondent, bob shaefer. even some obama supporters found themselves uneasy about this idea that is legal to kill american citizens, basically because the white house says okay, they're bad guys. >>> very concerned about this issue. >>>...
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. >>> now we turn to capitol hill why cia nominee john brennan has strongly defended the use of drones against terror targets. he said they're only used against targets planning on carrying out attacks on americans. he promised to tell congress every time terrorists are targeted. >> i would damn well make sure that this committee had that information. absolutely. >> after the hearing, intelligence committee chair diane fine feinstein called fore openness about drone strikes. >> talking about, this is a hot button issue. at the very beginning of that hearing, it was interrupted repeatedly by protesters who came in and eventually the entire room had to be cleared and only authorized people were allowed in, because it was interrupted so many times. >> we've seen that kind of thing before. they took it to another level yesterday, the fact that they had to close things off a little bit here. politically speaking, it seems likely he will get confirmation. certainly more likely than chuck hagel. so far so good for mr. brennan. but the drone has become the hot issue, because the obama administ
. >>> now we turn to capitol hill why cia nominee john brennan has strongly defended the use of drones against terror targets. he said they're only used against targets planning on carrying out attacks on americans. he promised to tell congress every time terrorists are targeted. >> i would damn well make sure that this committee had that information. absolutely. >> after the hearing, intelligence committee chair diane fine feinstein called fore openness about drone...
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the focus remains on john brennan and if he will be confirmed as cia director. members of the senate intelligence committee led by diane feinstein wanted to know if he agreed the use of waterboarding. he previously said he believed those techniques led to getting information that saved lives. but now he said he opposes it. >> it never should have been employed. >> reporter: he defends the use of drones to attack terror suspects. he said they are uses against threats and not as pay back. democrats cost that he will be confirmed. from could be a vote after that. reporting live in washington. >> the president meanwhile is among those scheduled to speak at the farewell ceremony later today. the 74-year-old will be honored for his years of public service. he said he is looking forward to returning to private life on his family's wall nut ranch. the president nominated chuck hagle to replace him but that nomination hasn't been voted on by the senate. >> going back to the continuing coverage of the search for accused gunman christopher dorner. investigators are going o
the focus remains on john brennan and if he will be confirmed as cia director. members of the senate intelligence committee led by diane feinstein wanted to know if he agreed the use of waterboarding. he previously said he believed those techniques led to getting information that saved lives. but now he said he opposes it. >> it never should have been employed. >> reporter: he defends the use of drones to attack terror suspects. he said they are uses against threats and not as pay...
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. >> your leadership of the cia will forever be remembered for the blows that we struck against al qaeda and perhaps the greatest intelligence success in american history. delivering justice to osama bin laden. president obama nominated former nebraska senator chuck hagel to replace panetta. the senate recently postponed its vote on hagel's nomination. >>> we hope you are not heading to the northeast region. you can't get there at this point, right, doug? >> you really can't. i-95 not looking too bad. new york city, a lot of wet roadways, the snow coming down. not too heavy now. it's expected to increase over the next couple of hours. our weather, not bad here either just yet. over the next few hours, our weather will deteriorate as the winds pick up. 42 degrees right now. a few showers around. most down to the south. again, 7:00 p.m., 38 degrees. maybe just a couple of showers. 9:00 windy with temperatures of 35. i expect the windchill to be around 25 at that time and just cold and windy by 11:00. if you're going to be out and about tonight, it's going to be one cold night. windchills a
. >> your leadership of the cia will forever be remembered for the blows that we struck against al qaeda and perhaps the greatest intelligence success in american history. delivering justice to osama bin laden. president obama nominated former nebraska senator chuck hagel to replace panetta. the senate recently postponed its vote on hagel's nomination. >>> we hope you are not heading to the northeast region. you can't get there at this point, right, doug? >> you really...
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. >>> john brennan in the hot seat as he tries to become the new cia director. surprising views on interrogation tactics and drones. >>> then, he's out. the man squatting in a multimillian dollar mansion in florida gets the boot. >>> and we'll speak with jim clemente, dr. michael welner, james usera, a former classmate of christopher dorner. ronwiden, and david frei of the westminster kennel club. we want to welcome our international viewers as "starting point" starts right now. >>> hey, everybody. welcome. our "starting point," everyone bracing for the monster blizzard. could turn out to be a storm for the ages with forecasters using words like epic to describe the storm. live pictures of new york. a foot of snow could be on the ground by this time tomorrow. right now, 23 million people in the northeast under a blizzard warning. air travel hit or miss. 3,000 flights scheduled for today and tomorrow have already been canceled. in boston, concerns that the storm could be worse than the blizzard of 1978. you will remember a hundred people killed in that blizzard.
. >>> john brennan in the hot seat as he tries to become the new cia director. surprising views on interrogation tactics and drones. >>> then, he's out. the man squatting in a multimillian dollar mansion in florida gets the boot. >>> and we'll speak with jim clemente, dr. michael welner, james usera, a former classmate of christopher dorner. ronwiden, and david frei of the westminster kennel club. we want to welcome our international viewers as "starting...
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and he says he tried to stop it when he was at the cia. good morning, everyone everybody. here we go on a good friday morning. friday, february 8th. great to see you today. so good to have you with us as we boom out to you live across this great land of ours, all the way from san diego to boston where they are expecting the record storm that may be the biggest blizzard in the history of boston. accuweather telling united states early this morning, earlier on the show that it could be anywhere from 24 to thirty inches of snow in boston starting late tonight. love your comments anytime at 866-55-press. i knowvite you to join us on what we are talking about at bp show. bill press show. you know there is a lot of people can get in a lot of trouble in washington, d.c., but we got somebody on our side looking out for them calling them to task. >> that's citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington, otherwise known as crue, executive director melanie sloan, welcome back. >> always nights to be with you. >> yeah. i think this is your first visit of the new year. >> yes. >>
and he says he tried to stop it when he was at the cia. good morning, everyone everybody. here we go on a good friday morning. friday, february 8th. great to see you today. so good to have you with us as we boom out to you live across this great land of ours, all the way from san diego to boston where they are expecting the record storm that may be the biggest blizzard in the history of boston. accuweather telling united states early this morning, earlier on the show that it could be anywhere...
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>> you know, i think a frustration was built around mostly the cia and the really hostile relationship between congress and the agency over the years and what lawmakers feel is the agency's failure to brief them adequately on a lot of secret operation that is are happening overseas. i think brennan is generally safe. he did perform satisfactory according to a lot of these -- the key democrats an some of the republicans on the panel and will get confirmed. i think that will happen in the next couple of weeks but look for the issue of the drone strikes and whether or not there needs to be more oversight to become a hot issue in the next weeks. >> senator bob menendez, he says this is nonsense, a set-up, if you will. smoke and mirrors by conservative bloggers and such and supporters feel the same way. we heard his first comments an we played on this investigation. >> he's trying to make this all about a smear campaign from a small group of people. but the real problem for bob menendez is there have been reports that have surfaced showing he's taken action it appears on behalf of this mega
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to go to cia ands the cia was involved in any type of illegal activity, i would damn well make sure this committee had that type of information. absolutely. >> after the hearing, intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein called for more openness about drone strikes. the senator says lawmakers may set up a special court to actually regulate those strikes. >> talking about, this is a hot button issue. at the very beginning of that hearing, it was interrupted repeatedly by protesters who came in, and eventually the entire room had to be cleared and only people authorized to be there, because it was supposed to be open to the public, they were asked to leave. it was interrupted to many times, they couldn't even get their points across. >> we've seen that kind of thing before. they took it to another level yesterday, the fact that they had to close things off a little bit here. overall, politically speaking, seems likely he will get confirmation. he's certainly much more likely than chuck hagan. that seems to be a little more of an uphill battle. so far, so good for mr. brennan. but the d
to go to cia ands the cia was involved in any type of illegal activity, i would damn well make sure this committee had that type of information. absolutely. >> after the hearing, intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein called for more openness about drone strikes. the senator says lawmakers may set up a special court to actually regulate those strikes. >> talking about, this is a hot button issue. at the very beginning of that hearing, it was interrupted repeatedly by...
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>>> things turned pretty tense during the confirmation hearing for the president's pick to hear the cia. john brennan's hearing was interrupted numerous times by protesters. >> i think there is a misimpression on the part of some american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative to taking an action that's going to mitigate that threat. >> the strongest criticism focused on elite justice department memo giving the president authority to order the killings of americans overseas by drone strike. democratic senator ron wyden says the white house hasn't lived up to its promise of transparency. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> awe cues brennan of stonewalling and asked him a lot of questions back and forth at the hearing. were you safe satisfied with what he told you? >> there's a lot of ground to cover. i was encouraged when the president, for example, called me and said that he was going to address
>>> things turned pretty tense during the confirmation hearing for the president's pick to hear the cia. john brennan's hearing was interrupted numerous times by protesters. >> i think there is a misimpression on the part of some american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative to taking an action that's going...
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president obama is nominee for cia director, john brennan, face a tough questions in his confirmation hearing. protesters actually interrupted the hearing at one. perry ed brennan said the obama administration has never killed terror suspects when officials had the opportunity to capture them instead. he spoke about the administration's future use of drones. >> president obama released the administration's classified legal justification for the drone a policy to the senate. intelligence committee before brennan's hearing. >> a new poll out this morning shows new jersey governor chris christie's approval rating is slowing. it is now 73 percent. the majority of independents and democrats surveyed also approved of the job kristi is doing. while approval ratings of his hand a list of super storm sandy are high, the poll found voters were split on his handling of the economy. that is the issue most voters are concerned are right now. >> boeing is planning to start test flights soon of its 787 dream liner. the company says that this will shoallowed it to look at the in-flight performance of
president obama is nominee for cia director, john brennan, face a tough questions in his confirmation hearing. protesters actually interrupted the hearing at one. perry ed brennan said the obama administration has never killed terror suspects when officials had the opportunity to capture them instead. he spoke about the administration's future use of drones. >> president obama released the administration's classified legal justification for the drone a policy to the senate. intelligence...
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president's second term and his nomination of counterterrorism advisor john brennan to be director of cia. as a career intelligence officer brennan has spearhead ad number of policies. the dramatic expansion of the drone program, for example and the development of novel legal theories to justify the use of drones to assassinate u.s. citizens said to be enengaged in terrorism abroad all of which liberals find abhorrent. all of this sounds familiar even if the chorus is not as deafening as it was in the bush administration. they are expanding the powers, lethal water boarding and rendition and detention of combatants on the battlefield. >> when this president was when he was senator excoriated the president's interrogation program and presumption of imperial press den apresidential powers. he is very lucky he doesn't have a senator obama who is chastising him from the floor of the united states senate. >> reporter: added irony is many former bush administration officials are voicing strong support for president obama and the conducting of the war on terror. jenna: a bit of musical chairs. h
president's second term and his nomination of counterterrorism advisor john brennan to be director of cia. as a career intelligence officer brennan has spearhead ad number of policies. the dramatic expansion of the drone program, for example and the development of novel legal theories to justify the use of drones to assassinate u.s. citizens said to be enengaged in terrorism abroad all of which liberals find abhorrent. all of this sounds familiar even if the chorus is not as deafening as it was...
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. >>> tough questions for cia director nominee john brennan. nbc's capital hill correspondent kelly o'donnell has more. good morning, kelly. >> good morning, natalie. some of the country's deepest secrets were at the heart of two intense hearings where top officials were grilled about intelligence, the benghazi attacks and drone strikes and that attracted protesters. # >> pakistan, somalia. and who else? >> reporter: anger over targeted killings. >> please remove -- >> reporter: and senators who say the cia and white house won't give them answers. >> the committee is just stonewalled. >> reporter: john brennan promised more transparency if confirmed as the next cia director. but struggled to explain if he was involved in waterboarding yet -- >> i did not stop the use of those techniques. >> reporter: brennan once said those had saved lives. >> waterboarding is something that never should have been employed. >> reporter: it turning to benghazi, senators press ed outgoing leon panetta and dempsey about whether military help was too far away to re
. >>> tough questions for cia director nominee john brennan. nbc's capital hill correspondent kelly o'donnell has more. good morning, kelly. >> good morning, natalie. some of the country's deepest secrets were at the heart of two intense hearings where top officials were grilled about intelligence, the benghazi attacks and drone strikes and that attracted protesters. # >> pakistan, somalia. and who else? >> reporter: anger over targeted killings. >> please...
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. >> panetta leaving office with an extraordinary acknowledgement that the defense department, the cia, state department, all of them recommended to the president that the u.s. should start arming, directly arming syrian rebels but the president decided that was not necessarily a good idea. that's pretty extraordinary. >> it was extraordinary. he was asked about it at a congressional hearing. what is interesting to me is someone who covers washington, it's not that there is disagreement at certain points over policy between the secretary of defense and the secretary of state and the president of the united states. what's amazing, wolf, is that we never knew about it before. so when you saw the president assisting hillary clinton in her good-bye tour and you saw a president who really was thanking her for not leaking. and what we also see in this is that foreign policy is really run from the white house and not from anywhere else. this is a very white house centric national security team and i think that the president is, of course, first among equals. if you look at those people up on
. >> panetta leaving office with an extraordinary acknowledgement that the defense department, the cia, state department, all of them recommended to the president that the u.s. should start arming, directly arming syrian rebels but the president decided that was not necessarily a good idea. that's pretty extraordinary. >> it was extraordinary. he was asked about it at a congressional hearing. what is interesting to me is someone who covers washington, it's not that there is...